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Posted: Fri May 25, 2007 2:54 pm
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Colibub
Joined: 13 Jul 2006
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Location: Stranraer SW Scotland
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Oot o interest what's ye CA M15 firing at. Am no trying tee be smart am jist interested because its quite a new purchase and these 1j guns that are firing under 300fps we could sue their asses because the guns are not doing what they were bought for. 
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Posted: Fri May 25, 2007 3:08 pm
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mutter
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my m15 was bought from firesupport and their spec states 280-313fps so i presume its somewhere in between?
http://www.fire-support.co.uk/sto...mersus_viewItem.asp?idProduct=879
i was not aware of any "pre-upgrades" when i bought it?
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Posted: Fri May 25, 2007 5:53 pm
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dogsbody
Joined: 13 Jul 2006
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Location: S W SCOTLAND
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Well m8s am by no why a regular or as regular as i would like  I was under the impresion that 330 was or limit.So i did improve my g3 to improve the range not to hurt any one and i hope i have enough sense to make sure i wouldn`t shoot any one to close or on to delicate a area,i now this sound easyer than it is for (the fog of war) can over come the strongest of us. 
i am all for chronoing all or guns so we all now where we stand and what we really have for to be honest do we all really now?
this depate does need resolved for all our good so we can get on with our chosen sport and have the fun we all look forward to.
finally for me a think of you all as m8s and i don`t want to inflickt pian or injury on any of you i just want a good day or night out, good creepppy creepy movement and a good fire fight :wink
ideas to sort our problems
1 training to make us all aware what is a safe shot.
2 may be a single shot engagement range
so hope to see you all soon ie tue night 
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Posted: Fri May 25, 2007 5:59 pm
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davy
Joined: 16 Jul 2006
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Location: Stranraer, SW Scotland
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dont get me wrong guys, all a meant was if you are scared at gettin hurt, pad up, safety is paramount, and so is fun. none of my guns are over 300fps, exept maybe my pistol on a good hot day, an a dont mind playin against people with higher fps guns in the type of open ground that we play, but in close combat, say at lanark, yeah i know i didnt make it, but i dont think i would fancy starin down the barrel of one there caus you know its going to really hurt. Even in our games when it gets cbq there are some guns that i dont fancy coming across at the other side of a tree and if i do, i hope they hit a fleshy part, like when a got pinned by russel, i took on tone instead caus russels gun sounded like it was tryin to saw through the tree
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Posted: Fri May 25, 2007 6:46 pm
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Colibub
Joined: 13 Jul 2006
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Location: Stranraer SW Scotland
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G a think with the trend being 330fps for the most of the UKs sites the manufacturers are setting a lot of their products 330fps or 1j now as a standard to make it more attractive for people to buy their guns as they wont need to upgrade them.  So this unfortunately doesn't help us when going for another new shiny toy.
I have noticed that ICSs CQB range of weapons are being sold at around 260-280fps because of the nature of CQB (a think I read this on Arnies).
James maybe has a point for extreme close quarter combat as we sometimes have at boot hill, single shot when you know you could come face to face with someone and thats where most of the face shots are occuring. Its all head and shoulders at times. (Great Shampoo though) 
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Posted: Fri May 25, 2007 7:43 pm
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mutter
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ok chaps,
fair comments from everybody, especially the dogsboby, well put!
i think now we are finally past the "who's right and who's wrong" posts and we are now getting some positive input.
colin - i accept that gun velocities have increased and i have NOT said i would want to stop anyone buying a gun because it shoots over 300fps, people can, and will, buy what they want. if we are going to up the limit then what we need are better rules of engagment to lessen the risks of injury. i have always felt that the 280-300 was ample for the games we play because they are often close to medium range.
both shotts and lanark had rules on fully auto at certain ranges, in fact, shotts had pretty much banned full auto completely!!!
dogsbody made two very good points:
"1 training to make us all aware what is a safe shot."
"2 maybe a single shot engagement range"
maybe we should organise a night (or day) to focus on saftey and gun play?
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Posted: Fri May 25, 2007 7:46 pm
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smiffy94
Joined: 09 Jun 2006
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Location: S'walt
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As Av Already Said None Ov My Guns Are Over 300Fps So The Out Come Ov The Debate Isnt Going To Make Much Diffrence 2 Me Gun Wise Only When Am On The Recieveing End Lol
But Rather Than Everyone Getting Handbags Out And Having Sneaky Little Digs At Each Other Shouldn't We Just Make A Decision 300 or 330Fps Or Is That As Simple As Me? 
Sorry Am Not Much 4 Debates Unless Its A Mass One
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